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Who-Anonymous
The Truth About SCJ’s ‘Choice’: Debunking Gary’s Defense of Manipulation and Control
Teaching/Doctrine
Hello LA California Zion Members. I hope you all had a wonderful Christmas break and that your health and well-being are in great shape. As we step into this new season, I pray that you take the time to read the entire Bible on your own. By doing so, you can gain a clearer understanding of its messages without relying on SCJ to control how you study or interpret it. Reading the Bible independently will help you see how SCJ selectively uses verses and books to fit their own agenda.
For those who are part of the LA Church or are former members of the Anaheim Church, you may be familiar with Gary (Joseph’s right-hand man), who serves as the Head of Security. He is tasked with defending SCJ and Lee Man Hee’s (LMH) actions and shielding the organization from scrutiny. Before I address his defense, I want to encourage everyone to treat Gary with kindness. He appears to be a well-intentioned person who has been manipulated by SCJ’s higher-ups to carry out their rules. While his actions may be triggering, it’s important to remember that he, too, is likely under the control of SCJ. It’s also worth noting that Gary has been known to create fake Reddit accounts to engage with former members or those considering leaving SCJ. His goal is often to extract their identities and use that information for manipulation.
One of Gary’s key defenses is his statement: “At the end of the day, it is everyone’s choice.” As the Head of Security for the LA Anaheim Church, he uses this argument to downplay the coercion and manipulation present within SCJ. To ensure clarity and avoid claims of “poison” from SCJ lurkers, here is the audio proof of his statement at 1:17:05:
In this post, we will debunk Gary’s argument and shed light on the flaws in his reasoning. Stay tuned for a breakdown of how this defense, while seemingly logical on the surface, serves to mask deeper issues of control and exploitation within SCJ.
Comments Section
Ok_Dragonfruit_3355
I think they should all be locked up
Particular-Memory218
My wife has been in that f-ing cult for 15 yrs! Destroyed our family, friends, her immediate family, our neighbors. She is a teacher now and has had Joseph and his sister over to our house under the guise of religion. She has been to so many locations I lost count. I think she is going to a place in Anaheim. I gave up 10 yrs ago. It actually told my kids that if they didn’t follow her, they were doomed to go to hell. Great parenting👍
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I’m sorry you’ve had to deal with this. Fifteen years of a cult tearing apart your family is brutal, and it’s even worse when kids are raised by SCJ members. It’s hell for parents to give their kids proper attention while staying loyal to SCJ.
I’m impressed that you’ve stuck it out longer than most would. Even if you feel like you’ve “given up,” your presence still matters—especially for your kids. They need someone stable in their corner. It sounds like she’s likely attending the church in Anaheim. SCJ started in Bellflower, I believe. Their ministry in America began in the 1990s and was officially declared an SCJ church in 2008 when Moon was a GSN. From Bellflower, they expanded to other locations, and I remember they even held services at Santa Ana High School before moving to the Anaheim building in 2018. The Anaheim church was the first property Lee Man-Hee purchased for their international branch.
Unfortunately, there’s a lot of corruption in the Anaheim church—greed for power and plenty of sexual affairs. It was heartbreaking when I learned about this. On top of that, their teachings don’t add up anymore. Revelation 7 originally explained that the winds were held after Revelation 6 so the 144,000 could be sealed and chosen. Afterward, the winds were supposed to blow again. Now they’re saying the 144,000 are chosen but we don’t know who they are. It doesn’t make any sense. Anyway, brother, stay focused on your kids and keep showing them what real love and strength look like. You’re not alone in this fight. Keep going for them.
Priceyjohn
Great post I hope those deceived can leave
TreeSuper7303
Very helpful. It’s extremely sad to know how much coercive control is used to keep people in SCJ. Classic cult and manipulation techniques. Thanks for sharing!