Why I left SCJ in 2022. Hope this helps someone

BigAggravating9751
Why I left SCJ in 2022. Hope this helps someone.
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Reasons I left SCJ in 2022. This was written in 2022. Just posting it now.

Chairman was part of the Olive Tree church in Korea for about 9 years. Like today, the leader of this church also taught about the hidden manna which he had received. This hidden Manna contains the secrets of Heaven he said. He also claimed to be the one who overcome. He was seen as someone who was sent by God and the spirit of Jesus was upon him. The leader of this church has the same idea of being the one sent to complete the work of Salvation. He also preached about the millennium era. Chairman Man He Lee was part of this church for about 9 years despite the two murders this church caused in their so called healing/some sort of conversion ritual. However, you may argue this is minor and doesn’t affect the Chairman Lee.

Fast forward, the whole idea of the hidden manna and the interpretation of the parables were also taught in the Tabernacle Temple. This means that with the same skill and technique of everything in the bible being in pair, they too were able to interpret parables like SCJ today. As someone who believed in the work of CJHN, I was always in awe how he could interpret the parables but later realised he didn’t receive that skill from the Angel he said gave him the word. How much did the Angel show him? CJHN said the entire book of revelation and its realities.

OKAY. Then 1977, when he received the vision, why did he have to wait for almost 2 years or more before sending the letters ? WAIT! I thought he saw the realities in the vision he received ? Because I can clearly remember that in the revelation drama, he saw the image of the reality in a vision. Why didn’t he just take action? Some say he waited for that long to realise what he had to do. If Jesus said send letters, why wait? What do you have to realise after many years ? Realising that Jesus said send letters? Then this just makes me wonder, did Jesus explicitly say send letters or did he do it because it’s written in revelation?

Furthermore, I came across a video testimony from a pastor of the Re-creation church in Korea, founded in 1977. Interestingly, this pastor said in the video interview that CJHN was with him for a while as one of his disciples before returning to the Tabernacle Temple. Wait what?! If CJHN saw the TT in his vision and the realities, why did he wait for those years before sending letters and WHY was he with this pastor? He should have been at the TT with the letters because he said he received reality revelation of TT. When you ask why he didn’t act or send the letter straight after the vision like the other prophets did, the only answer I get so far was that he didn’t realise what he had to do till after those years.

Fast forward, I used to think ONLY SCJ had a fulfilment testified but that was a lie to. Koo In-Hoe, who is supposedly seen as a bad man by people in SCJ, also had reality fulfilment and 12 tribes. Very very similar style like SCJ. He also used to believe he was the one sent by Jesus and that he will have enteral life and that the spirit of Jesus was working through him. Sounds familiar ? I’m not saying he is truthful or deceitful. All I’m saying is that I used to believe that SCJ was the ONLY place with this knowledge and I now got to realise that this knowledge has existed prior and CJHN didn’t receive the skill to interpret to parables and interpret fulfilment from the Angel.

All I can see so far is that CJHN supposedly received only three visions from heaven regarding revelation. First was the 7 stars vision, vision of God’s throne/structure of heaven and vision of receiving the word from the Angel. Speaking of the Angel, there were letters that CJHN wrote saying that only God, Jesus and him has this word and he used to exclude the Angel. But letter, in other Letters, he started including the Angel. Wait a sec, don’t we all believe that that Angel is the Advocate and what ever CJHN says is from Jesus? How come he is making an error ? You can’t tell me he just forgot when it happened on multiple occasions.

Going back to the only three visions he saw of Revelation and his actions, we can establish the fact that he didn’t explicitly receive command to send the letters, he didn’t explicitly receive command to create the 12 tribes and he only did that because he believed that’s why God showed him the kingdom of heaven in the spiritual realm. On a side note, many other people have seen visions of the spiritual realm just like what CJHN saw. Back to the main topic, CJHN didn’t receive specific instructions to send the letters, create 12 tribes and even build God’s kingdom. I never used to care about he not receiving specific instructions about those things until recently.

Before we go forward, let’s remind ourselves of one thing. CJHN testified that he knows the entire Revelation, Chapter 1 to 22 with their realities and what will happen. Let’s start with the 144000, CJHN used to EXPLICITLY say that the 144000 will occur and be created FIRST and then we will have the GMW. However, we have the GMW now but we all still don’t know who the 144000 are. It was said that, when the spiritual realm comes down, we will know. HOWEVER, this doesn’t dismiss the fact that he EXPLICITLY say that the 144000 will be created first but it didn’t happen that way. So, we should all accept the fact that he made an ERROR in his initial prediction.

Secondly, we still don’t know who the 144000 are and we now have the Great tribulations happening. Wait, I thought there needs to be 12000 in each tribes sealed before the great tribulations? It can also be argued again that since the church has over 200000 members, CJHN said he could easily divide people between the tribes to reach that number. Okay, fair enough. NEVERTHELESS, who will he be taken to the other tribes ? Who will it be? Does he now know who the 144000 are ? How will he know who to take to the other tribes ? What if the ones he takes to the other tribes majority aren’t part of the 144000? That means the number will not reach still. There is still a problem. The truth is, only God can choose 144000 and not him. He can’t use exams to decide that. He used to EXPLICITLY say that the 144000 will be created first before the great tribulations and that the great tribulations will not affect SCJ. He later changed his mind and wrote a letter saying that “ it was thought that the great tribulations will happen after the 144000…” WAIT, he said it was thought that? Doesn’t he know for sure what is to happen? Why did he tell us what was going to happen in the first place then? This just makes me wonder, once again, God or the Spirit of Jesus did not tell him initially that the great tribulations will happen after 144000, rather, he concluded based on what he read in revelation. BUT, isnt it taught in the church that what ever he says comes from Jesus? How come Jesus makes errors ? How come ? Does Jesus make mistakes?

Now, the work of peace. On a side note, other churches also do the work of peace and working for the unification of the world. BUT, speaking of the Mindanao event, it is true that CJHN intervened and helped CEASED the conflict in 2014. HOWEVER, it was with the government help as well and also, this peace only lasted for 3 years and in 2017 the conflict started again. Till today, more and more people are dying from the conflict. My problem is, no one in the church is told about this. We are only told the good part and that CJHN is doing the work of peace and brought peace to Mindanao but not how temporary it was. Until this day, the church still talks about the peace work that was done in Mindanao as if peace still exists there. They only use the peace work that happened there as publicity, but people in SCJ don’t know about this. Read here for yourself: https://thediplomat.com/2021/04/thousands-of-families-are-being-displaced-by-violent-clashes-in-mindanao/

The truth is, CJHN doesn’t receive divine commands from Jesus on how to work, or what to do, and didn’t receive instructions from Jesus about how the great tribulations and 144000 will happen. He did that all on his on terms and based on what he read in Revelation. So far, apart what he proclaimed happened in the tabernacle temple, everything that CJHN testified will happen with the 144000, GMW and the great tribulations has not been accurate and he thought something will happen this way and told the entire church and it happened another way. These errors and mistakes just makes me question everything, was it also an error to send letters, create 12 tribes like what he saw in revelation and do work of peace ? Because, the truth is, we all know that he didn’t receive any divine instructions from God and Jesus saying do this now. BUT, the God and Jesus I know since the time of the Old Testament had always told his servants exactly what to do and they don’t make many errors in God’s message. Especially God’s message.

CJHN also mentions many times that we need to protect God’s Kingdom. WHO ARE You? Can you protect God’s Kingdom? Did God say protect his kingdom ? God is the I AM for a reason. The sad part is, people in the church have slowly forgotten what true sincerity, honesty and openness is. When you are so constricted and controlled and have to report on what someone else says each time or have to fake to show concern to someone else so that they can open up to you so that you can have something to report, people just end of acting like robots and not doing things sincerely, openly and honestly. We don’t trust each other that much, I certainly control what I say and how I say things. Leaders don’t trust their subordinates and everyone is so extremely cautious.

Lastly, I will like to touch on the topic of salvation and eternal life. CJHN teaches that when eternal life is received, when the spirit becomes one with the flesh, the 144000 and the GMW will have eternal life. Keep in mind that CJHN did not receive any divine message about this but he concluded this from what he read. Also, keep in mind that he has made errors about what supposed to have happened with the 144000, GMW and the tribulations. Now back to the topic of eternal life, I do believe we will receive salvation and eternal life. However, the way in which it is taught in SCJ got me thinking. So, the 144000 and the GMW will receive eternal life and will receive peace and no more death or mourning or crying when the spiritual realm comes down on SCJ. WELL, this could be true BUT, after the eternal life is received what happens?

We now know that after eternal life the 144000 will go around the world preaching the word for 1000 years. Okay, what happens to the billions of people remaining in the world? A teacher from the church said at that time technology will increase and people could live longer, CJHN also said this. Well, that’s a big IF and that doesn’t mean those people have eternal life. So we come back to the simple truth, only those in SCJ will have eternal life and the rest of the world will not. At this time there will still be suffering and pain in the world because there will not be absolute peace. So, for those who have eternal life on earth, they will watch their families, friends and loved ones will die and they will still be alive😔. They will be living in a world where there is still pain and suffering. How is this blessing ? This is torture. Emotional and physical torture. This is not blessing. Is this really how God wants to save the world?

To conclude, due to the errors and confusion with what CJHN testified and all I have listed above, I cannot confirm for sure if he is true or not and I cannot trust him anymore. If I stay in the church I will not feel comfortable delivering the word to others because there are things that don’t add up. Can you rely on a staff you can’t trust ?

Comments Section

RozzySweet
Is anything that I learned in the classes true? Should I just throw away my notes?

↳ sangsum00
I would suggest that you read the bible and discern for yourself. Some of the parables are true that is only because the bible backs it up. What truely is not true are the testimonies that they claim that happend.

Another lie that they claim is that no one aside from them can understand the parables. There are lot of sources(bible expositions) out there explaining the parables dated even before LMH was born that has the same meaning of what they teach. It is the reason why they don’t want you to search the internet as well, because you might find out that their teachings are not theirs alone.

↳ freeatlast08gf
Even if there was some truth to it, the fact that it is mixed with lies and you can’t really differentiate properly between the two should be enough to throw everything away. But that’s just my opinion

Timely-Surround-1178
Hi what is CHJN stands for? I have a friend who fell into SCJ teaching. I want her to understand that this is a cult . Thanks.

↳ Responsible_Catch164
CJHN? What does it mean?

↳ BigAggravating9751
The Promised pastor

Who-Anonymous
Rev 7 was what made me realize SCJ is a lie

Fit-Housing9499
Everything you write here is true, but in my case, it was only when the 144,000 and Great White Crowd, at the beginning of the pandemic, did not happen, as we were taught for many years, that I began to see that something was not right! Because we were taught as it is written in the Bible, and this was how it was supposed to happen. But when it didn’t happen, many were confused and some left, others stayed there, even with the change in Doctrine Revelation 7. I left, and only later did I start discovering all the other MHL nonsense.

Everything is a lie, there is no truth in it, even though many things in the word make sense, but not everything that makes sense is true! MHL has been in cults all his life and learned the parables in those other cults. For example: how could he have sent the letters to the 7 stars = Pastors = churches, in 1979, if most of the 7 stars were no longer there, 4 had already left. All lies and lies from a madman who learned from another madman and so on.

Who-Anonymous
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