What’s the betrayal, destruction, salvation doctrine in Shincheonji?

What’s the Betrayal, Destruction, Salvation Doctrine in Shincheonji?
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General Thought and Question
What is the betrayal, destruction, salvation doctrine in Shincheonji, which Bible verses do Shincheonji members and leaders use to support their doctrine, and are there any refutations of their doctrine?

Also, how do Shincheonji members put this doctrine into practice? Do they ever use it to betray and psychologically destroy or damage people, especially new students and new members?

I studied the Bible with a Shincheonji-affiliated group last year and experienced betrayal, gaslighting, deception, lying, ghosting, and manipulation by the members I spoke to while in their group, but I’m not sure if that’s part of their betrayal, destruction, salvation doctrine. I’m not too familiar with that doctrine as I never heard about it from instructors while studying with Shincheonji members.

Comments Section

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The Bible never explicitly references the concept of “betrayal, destruction, salvation.” It is a commentary on the Bible which SCJ superimposes onto the Bible in order to try to explain their interpretation of Revelation. The best you could do is take a few verses and infer BDS, but you may need to stretch a few teachings here and there.

In terms of your experience, that’s not quite what they mean by BDS, and there’s a reason that BDS isn’t referenced early in the center course. SCJ doesn’t consider lying or gaslighting to be betraying people. It’s a standard practice in the organization and is even encouraged by leaders.

u/redditisnotthatgreat
I learnt it as RDS, Rebellion D S. It’s like a “Lasting Ordinance,” meaning it will keep repeating since Adam’s time to Jesus’ first coming till Jesus’ second coming. They used RDS as a formula, like other cults in Korea. SCJ claimed to be unique, but they’re far from it. The Olive Tree Church, which LMH learnt and remodelled the doctrine from, has many same teachings which they call open words. But guess what? Those open words are said to be preached first in the 7 Stars’ Church. But how could the Olive Tree Church know some open words before even the partial light (7 Stars) began?

u/Every-Foundation-497
They don’t let you ask questions, they don’t know the answers, they always say you’ll find out as we go along. The scripture you’re speaking of is one they twist up real good in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4. If you read the context (which they never do), you can clearly see Paul is comforting them as others told them Jesus already came for His bride, and he’s saying what must come first and how you’ll know the signs.

↳ u/SCJWatch
The SCJ instructors definitely did not let me ask questions during some lessons and claimed they didn’t know the answers. They told me I had to wait to learn some lessons in a large class, and they read various passages of the Bible out of context. That was all when I found out they had false teachings and told them they had false teachings. But I suspected they knew the doctrines after leaving their group and just didn’t want to tell me them, and I realized they lied to me and manipulated me, as well as trying to guilt trip me. They falsely accused me of wanting to fight or argue with them and even with the Christian God, which is not what I actually wanted to do.

u/biglossbigwin
Among many other things, betrayal, destruction, and salvation is arguably found in the Bible. SCJ’s doctrine highlights this as a pattern and has its reasoning listed on their website. So, BDS is used within their doctrine. However, the personal experience you mentioned is a byproduct of their culture.

↳ u/SCJWatch
I see. Yeah, SCJ is definitely a cult, and they built a whole doctrine out of snippets of Bible verses, including the ones with betrayal, destruction, or salvation in them, just like they only teach other snippets of the Bible and pick and choose Bible verses and passages like every other cult that uses it. Pretty much all other churches and denominations also seem to pick and choose, based on my experiences with Christianity and growing up as one.

u/Reddit-Book-Bot
Beep. Boop. I’m a robot. Here’s a copy of The Bible.

u/belch84
A gnostic explanation that a cycle of pastors like Adam, Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, and now so-called Chairman SSN Lee Man Hee had established salvation but were betrayed and destroyed until the next pastor established salvation. Jesus was very close, but John the Baptist, not Judas Iscariot, the obvious choice, betrayed Him. So, the parables prophesied by code that another pastor would do it, and Revelation is the fulfillment of the promise, therefore the bogus title “Promised Pastor.” The Tabernacle Temple was betrayed (see Jae El Yul and O Pyong Ho) and destroyed, but LMH has the salvation, so you have to understand what he says about parables and Revelation and obey him. But he fabricated it and takes advantage, so lying and gullibility are required in his false Temple of the Tabernacle of the Testimony, Shincheonji Church of pseudo-Jesus. It’s an abomination.

↳ u/SCJWatch
Thanks for the explanation. SCJ definitely has twisted teachings and takes a lot of Bible verses out of context. I’m aware that the Bible doesn’t speak about Manhee Lee being the “Promised Pastor” or about the Tabernacle Temple, Jaeyul Yoo, and Pyeongho Oh, but I never got to that point where SCJ instructors talk about the two pastors and Manhee Lee or even about the “Promised Pastor.” Many cults like SCJ, Mormonism, and Jehovah’s Witnesses tend to also reveal what they really believe little by little and step by step, but cults in general are manipulative and controlling of members.

↳ u/belch84
No worries. Thanks for the improvement on my misspellings.

↳ u/SCJWatch
No problem. There’s different ways to write Korean words and names in romanization (romaja). In English, either the last name/family name can be written first and then the first name/personal name for Korean, Chinese, and Japanese names, or they can be written with the first name first and then the last name. I usually write the first name first and then the last name in English when writing out names that in other languages would first be written with the last name and then the first name.